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The Learning Curve - Special Education

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Special Education is the most often over looked division of the Educational System. We concern ourselves with special interest programs aimed at gifted and talented students, extra curricular activities and a hand full of students that make extra effort to reach out to less fortunate community citizens. But what about those students who are faced with the challenge of succeeding period? Special Education often handles mentally handicapped, but the handicap deemed is not always visible.

When I graduated High School I was a member of my High School band, JROTC, Model Rocketry and the school newspaper. I was also, in Special Education /.EA (Early Adolescence). Form my 6th grade year of Middle School to m y High School graduation day I was a "SpEd".

"SpEd" was generally used a derogatory term implicating ones lack of intellectual ability. In short this was just another way to call someone a "retard". It was true, that some of the student in the Special Education program were mentally and physically challenged, not all of us suffered from these conditions. We did, however all share some form of learning disability. For some it was ADD / ADHD, others it was mental underdevelopment, and other still just behavioral problems. I was the former with ADD.

Diagnosed with this 'problem' at the age of 10, I had already supposedly established a majority of my work habits and work ethic. I had already begun to form a social appearance and build relationships with groups of kids outside of my neighborhood and I had already begun.... to fail at them all. So, my parents, fearing I was a 'troubled' child, took me to doctors and therapists, psychologists and psychiatrists - looking to do what every parents wants but all parents fear: To fix a problem beyond their control.

After a brief stay in a psychiatric institution over a summer, I went to Middle School, but rode the "short bus". The students were just as rowdy and loud, smaller vehicle with a bigger stigma. Thus, the system I had grown to hate and the building I learned to despise became the home of a system that was my salvation.

I'm going to skip over my Middle School years, as they were uneventful (unless you'd really like to learn about Inuit tribes, John Steinbeck novels, a Diamondback Terrapin Farm, adopting a Humpback Whale, and a bone pencil). High School... some of us loved it, other (like me) spent years trying to forget the social aspects of it. This, however is where the Special Education system worked for me.

I attended Lackey High School in Indian Head, Maryland (Class of '95).. The Special Education section was outside, in small trailers that we kept to ourselves in. Most of us had behavior problems and were considered too disruptive to allow other students to properly learn. We had very small student body presence, normally about 5-15 students per class. This allowed us to concentrate with out ambient distraction, and allowed th teacher to focus more on each individual student. We learned the exact same things as the rest of the "normal" students and were administered the same tests usually. The difference was in the method of teaching that was administered to us.

We had a level system. Levels 1 -4; Level one you had no privileges, and level 4 you were fully integrated within the regular populous, taking 'mainstream' classes only showing up to the trailers for homeroom. We earned our freedom so to speak. If we proved we could achieve what was given to us, we were rewarded with more of a challenge and encouraged to participate in every school event we wanted to. I was a Junior before I was "level 4" (then again there was no level 4 before I came along, so...). It was at that point I noticed the differences between the 'mainstream students" and the Special Education system of learning.

Regular 'mainstream students' had everything most of you who attended public school will remember. Bulky books, lots of homework, summarized chapters and long essays about "Why James Joyce used the color blue and skulls in both 'A Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man' and 'Dubliners'.... all the stuff that is seldom important later in life (I mean seriously, I still don't think Mr. Joyce intentionally used skulls and blue in both books to illustrate anything other than personal affinity. I got an 'F' on that essay for saying that too.). In the Special Education arena we had smaller books that were given out more frequently, they appeared to have a tighter focus on the material at hand they they often required some sort of project to illustrate what you learned. The difference between memorizing, names, dates and places and understanding them became clear. This was the line between Special Education and Mainstream Education. The teacher didn't necessarily care more or less, but the material and the way I was taught made the difference.

I look back on my years in school and see all the people from both sides and have noticed that more people from Special Education who were not mentally disabled succeed than those who were not in Special Education and had no mental disability. Now, it would seem to me that the educational system in whole would look to the Special Education departments to see what is being done in the way of right so they the mainstream system can follow suit.

Also, note that my observation only reflects a very small demographic. I can not speak for the majority of the country. The educational system (as I understand it) has its lesson plans dictated nationally, whereas the Special Education system has their plans dictated by the state and school district. I just hope that people can see and understand that Special Education isn't for the 'dumb' and we don't graduate with less of an education that anyone else. There is no "easy button in that program.

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{"commentId":170123,"authorDomain":"Jynne"}

Thank you for sharing what was probably a very painful time in your life.

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Reply#1 - Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:20 PM EDT
{"commentId":177944,"authorDomain":"ejronin"}

I didn't intend this article to focus on my hardships in school, though there were some to be had. I wanted to explain that hte SpEd EA program is something worth saving and understanding, that is DOES do a lot of good with kids who would have otherwise failed.

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#1.1 - Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:40 AM EDT
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{"commentId":193020,"authorDomain":"Melissa726"}

Yes, special ed is overlooked. I spent my high school years bouncing around between "centers" and was COMPLETELY frustrated by the lack of education provided. In a mainstream school, kids are GENERALLY grouped by ability -- meaning there's a difference between the GT kids and the ESL kids. I had behavioral problems, but am quite intelligent, if I do say so myself. However, it was like beating my head against the wall having to sit in an English class with people who had severe learning disabilities (not the kids' fault). The teachers taught to the slowest kid, and I was one of the brightest. Therefore, I'd do anything to get out of class. Oh, how I loved my suspensions! Had I been sufficiently stimulated in school, I KNOW I wouldn't have been as unruly as I was. Additionally, most of the kids in my school were hoodlums. So tell me why they placed a couple severly autistic children in a school with hoodlums? They would have done better mainstreamed.

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Reply#2 - Thu Jul 6, 2006 1:37 AM EDT
{"commentId":194443,"authorDomain":"ejronin"}

Well... each child is different both in ability and in aptitude. I had an issue concentrating so I was placed in smaller classes and with children who had a more severe learning disability. I fought to create a new method within the school system that allowed kids like me slowly move to the mainstream classes at their own pace and ability almost completely within the 'level' system.

Some kids are behavioral problems (for whatever reason), others have distinct learning disabilities (as you've said not a fault of theirs).

One of the more recent discoveries about ADD and ADHD (commonly confused, and very different) is that a child with ADD who has a higher intelligence than those around them become bored when left unchallenged. Once boredom happens the child creates their own adventures. I did a lot of this. I got suspended, temporarily expelled and sometimes just neglected my work. One of the things my Special Ed teachers learned though myself and a couple of the classmates who were enrolled for the same reason was that once you challenge us, you have our complete attention. Perhaps your teachers were not aware of this since gen pop students are almost completely the opposite.

I can't totally agree that an unruly student such as ourselves may have done better in mainstream classes to begin with. I say this because we both probably started our school careers off in gen pop and had to be transitioned INTO Special Ed. Now, At that point neither of us had the proper idea or habits to succeed in gen pop which was the point of being in Special Ed. However, Special Ed also needs to be broken down a bit better and looked over a lot less. Again, all children are different so we handle things differently even though we share many of the same characteristics (Special Ed and unruly behavior in this case). This adds to the increasing difficulty in identifying how to tap into a child learning behaviors. I know I often was labeled a daydreamer, doodler, or disruptive. Its really hard to get - "challenge their mind more" from those labels.

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#2.1 - Thu Jul 6, 2006 8:12 PM EDT
{"commentId":194843,"authorDomain":"ejronin"}

CORRECTION:

Special Ed also needs to be broken down a bit better and looked over a lot less

This is the opposite of what I meant to say. I meant to say:

Special Ed also needs to be broken down a bit better and OVER LOOKED a lot less.

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#2.2 - Fri Jul 7, 2006 2:33 AM EDT
{"commentId":723548,"authorDomain":"jimmyhavok"}

Funny how the meaning reverses when the words are reversed.

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#2.3 - Mon May 21, 2007 6:37 PM EDT
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{"commentId":194740,"authorDomain":"danish"}

Thanks for sharing this, Shawn. I got smarter here, both with regards to ADD and ADHD - syndromes that I have been hearing about ever more frequently lately - and about the common derivative use of the term special ed, which I didn't quite understand.

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Reply#3 - Fri Jul 7, 2006 12:12 AM EDT
{"commentId":194841,"authorDomain":"ejronin"}

I'm glad you found it enlightening, Claus. Since this disorder became 'common' in the late 80s, many different medications have been used to combat or suppress the urge to become overly impulsive. While in most the impulsive tendencies occur in a lack of consistent thought pattern, for some it also bleeds into physical action.

Its an interesting affliction and have in some ways given me the power to fly through thoughts, however the side-effect is that at terms I can't spend too much time on any one thought without the subject changing uncontrollably. I've had to kind of make a mental balance between subject and substance as well as quality vs quantity. If I can sort of feel that I'm about to switch subjects I push a little harder mentally to make my last few seconds of a thought count.

The worst aspect of ADD for me is that when I try and remember something, its not always in the right order. In doing a bit of research on my own I've read that people with ADD can come off as liars at times. In the mind of the person with ADD they can retell a story and as far as they can remember it is completely true. To the listener who may have been with the ADD person, the story is only half true. The order in which we sometimes remember things gets skewed, parts omitted, or opposite. most of the ADD people I know (who truly have ADD), are urged by their doctors to take frequent notes. Not only to remember events the way they happened, but so that we can also stay focused.

Ritalin was the first medication they used on me, and not until I was at three times the normal dose with next to no effect did they switch me over to Imipremene (or Toffernel), which worked out much better. Imipremene is now also used for insomnia. I no longer take medication as I've learned to cope with out drugs, but I still lose focus very easily at times. It annoys me to no end. I'll be in the middle of a really deep thought about the human condition and suddenly I'm off in a completely different direction wondering how hungry the person was who figured out that you had to cook a crab alive in order for it to be eaten without getting sick.

now, if this all sounds like some horrible and incapacitating affliction, its not all that bad really. I've coped and mode it thus far in life. Will I need help sometimes? Yes, but who doesn't? It's definately a very interesting thing to try and understand, especially when you have ADD.

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#3.1 - Fri Jul 7, 2006 2:32 AM EDT
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{"commentId":194955,"authorDomain":"Sunstreak"}

I can really relate to what you are saying. Both my wife and daughter have ADHD and they take Concerta . While it is not a cure all type of medication, it does help. In public school my daughter was failing and the school provided absolutely no help and was content to let her fall though the cracks. We switched her to a private school that offered small class's and the teachers are very patient with her. Even though she is not at the top of her class, she is passing with much better grades.

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Reply#4 - Fri Jul 7, 2006 7:29 AM EDT
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i really would like to speak with someone who can give me some support and/ or suggestions. i have an 8 year old boy who drives us all crazy with his total lack of self-control. always breaking rules, not following directions, bouncing off the walls, making noises constantly, etc. he does very well in school until he is finished with his work then the chaos begins. he can't think of something to keep himself busy so he disrupts the class. we have tried ritalin, adderall, and concerta to no avail. we need help. please e-mail me directly at mom_4.tlca at yahoo.com. thank you.

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Reply#5 - Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:48 PM EDT
{"commentId":723565,"authorDomain":"jimmyhavok"}

Sounds like he's too smart for his school. If he is a reader, talk to his teacher about setting him up with some advanced reading for when his work is finished, or some kind of personal project that can be used as a reward for finishing, like a puzzle or some kind of construction toy.

I had a similar problem, compounded by the fact that the work was so easy that I breezed through it, then I'd read the rest of the textbook, which meant I already knew everything that the teacher was going to talk about for the rest of the school year, which meant I got out of the habit of paying attention, since it was all stuff that I already knew. It made for some very bad scholastic habits that I didn't kick until late in my college career.

My better teachers used to just let me read in the back of the room where I wouldn't bother anyone. The worse ones used to make me "sit quietly" when I'd finished my work.

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#5.1 - Mon May 21, 2007 6:45 PM EDT
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{"commentId":720837,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Ok, I'm here. I'm going to print this out or bookmark it so I can read it later
after I get some needed sleep.

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Reply#6 - Sun May 20, 2007 3:10 PM EDT
{"commentId":723544,"authorDomain":"jimmyhavok"}

more people from Special Education who were not mentally disabled succeed than those who were not in Special Education and had no mental disability.

Great point. It shows that even with behavioral problems, increased attention will bring increased success in education. We need to spend a lot more money on education in this country, so that every student can get the level of attention that SpEd kids get.

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Reply#7 - Mon May 21, 2007 6:34 PM EDT
{"commentId":724135,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Shawn, did you see this news about special education?

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Reply#8 - Mon May 21, 2007 11:16 PM EDT
{"commentId":732965,"authorDomain":"redruby"}

Shawn...I think it's remarkable that you had a positive experience in the "short bus class". Some kids I know of have had a terrible time. I think the small size of the classes must have something to do with it plus your innate intelligence. I think about ADD alot because I get a lot of kids referred to me from schools in the area. Why did it seemingly suddenly appear in the 80s as you mention. I developed my own untested theory. The culprit is Sesame Street. So many kids were raised on it and the whole hour long show was made up of quick two-second, attractive, stimulating bits of information, changing, changing, changing. How could anybody sit still after that? I think kids were trained to have short attention spans and to need alot of visual stimulation. Sadly, I think alot of kids are being diagnosed w/ADD today at younger and younger ages, like 5 and 6 years old. What little kid can sit still at that age? And, why should they? Let them run and stand up and have breaks and not have to learn to read until they are ready. The school systems fail so many kids especially in wealthy, high achieving districts where they want every kid to be a stellar performer, elite sports and all that. I'm digressing. Thanks for writing about your experience. It gave me a picture of special ed experience that I don't hear or see very often.

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Reply#9 - Fri May 25, 2007 12:10 AM EDT
{"commentId":736700,"authorDomain":"jimmyhavok"}

Before the '80s, kids with ADD/ADHD were diagnosed as "bad" or "stupid," depending on their intelligence. My mother was an elementary school teacher in the '50s, and after she read an article about the correlation of multiple hair foci and ADHD, she commented, "I could always tell which kids were going to be trouble on the first day, because they were the ones whose hair wouldn't comb straight."

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#9.1 - Sat May 26, 2007 5:23 PM EDT
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{"commentId":735680,"authorDomain":"ejronin"}

I think you're right about Sesame Street, but not as a sole source. School House Rocks, 3,2,1 Contact or any television show really, would be the antagonist here. I mean, today we see 4, 60 second commercials every 26 minutes of actual show. Then each show only has a segment of the story. There's roughly 15 minutes of commercial time for every hour of broadcast radio, and if you look at the progression of music, songs dropped from being 5-6 minutes each to 2 1/2 to 3 minutes each. Then, the content of a song is usually only 3 to 4 verses with an equal number repeated chorus lines. Corporations have adjusted their marketing to fit an ADD standard - we're not supposed to pay attention to detail or focus on a complete picture anymore, yet we wonder why our children can't stay on task for more than 5 minutes. It's because next to nothing has a planned focus of 5 or more minutes - everything has a price and ease or convenience is making us pay here, to some degree.

Now, I do believe that there are people who lack a chemical balance, causing ADD, but they are few and far between when you consider the general population of this country. I find it hard to believe that America seems to be the only nation "plagued" with ADD to the extent we're being led to believe. Handing out medication to children for being their age puts money int eh pockets of a lot of people, added with the either lack of understanding or the lack of understanding serves to feed this beast more.

The school system is burdened with the Special Ed program becuase it is expensive due to the nature of how it must be taught. Aside from that, the number of ADD "victims" grows faster than the school can accommodate... it's one big downward spiral

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Reply#10 - Sat May 26, 2007 1:20 AM EDT
{"commentId":739504,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I agree with all of this though I'm not crazy about you putting quotes around "victims". Why did you choose to do that?

It's not just add. Autism is also way on the rise - and some of it, as with ADD and ADHD, comes from more screening and warning signs and thus more dianosing. But even then there's still
increases and nobody is sure quite what to do.

I need to be careful on what I say so..

My new job involves providing respite care for teenagers who:
are between 11-16
are in therapy
and can give themselves their own medication.
They must also live with their family.

The service of a facility-based respite is one of only three in the country because most respite care by other agencies, and I do this with two other separate teens, involves picking someone up and going somewhere.
This, by contrast, is a place for them to go to relax and have fun, giving both the kids and the family breaks.

But these are mostly high functioning kids, of the type where you might not even know they have any problems.

Most of my special ed-related work until now has focused instead on the low functioning work the ones who are definitely in need of special care, the ones who can't be easily mainstreamed and are sometimes instead put in schools that are nothing but special ed students.

I probably said too much so this post will self-destruct in two minutes. I'm going to go take a shower to avoid any possible explosions.

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#10.1 - Mon May 28, 2007 1:07 PM EDT
{"commentId":739908,"authorDomain":"ejronin"}

I agree with all of this though I'm not crazy about you putting quotes around "victims". Why did you choose to do that?

I'm sorry if you were slightly offended at my sarcastic approach to the term 'victim'. It was used to hopefully illustrate taht there are some kids who are just being kids and hyper sensitive or reactionary parents classify their children falsely. I in no way turn a blind eye to the fact that there are real children who are real victims. I think, I was one of them, but was fortunate enough to "grow out of it". I know that there are some children who are not nor will be fortunate enough to have that luxury.

Again, it was to illustrate that not all children diagnosed with ADD/ ADHD are really suffering with it. It's just a convenient label pasted on them by money hungry doctors and unwitting parents, in some cases.

The service of a facility-based respite is one of only three in the country because most respite care by other agencies, and I do this with two other separate teens, involves picking someone up and going somewhere.
This, by contrast, is a place for them to go to relax and have fun, giving both the kids and the family breaks.

During my years in therapy, my therapist would take me out and we'd go do fun things. We'd talk about anything, play chess (she's the one who taught me how to play - it took me 6 years to finally beat her, playing every week). I really liked her but I never really opened up to her past a certain plastic point.

But these are mostly high functioning kids, of the type where you might not even know they have any problems.

Having been institutionalized and going through the Special Education / EA program you'd be surprised what kinds of people I'd meet. You're right, some of them, unless you were in class with them or they told you - you'd never know. The human brain is a mysteriously odd organ. It holds many things firmly, and others... pretty loosely.

It's a noble thing you do Scott. In a way you remind me of my favorite teacher. She would always find a way to tap into a child potential and work with them individually from there. She never gave up on anyone, and she never appeared to break a sweat. Her name was Karine Ingersoll. She taught me in Middle School before she moved up to High School.

Maryland's Teachers of the Year 2000-2001 - page 3

It was a calling she might have predicted. Growing up in Scandinavia during World War II with parents deeply involved in the Underground, she understood fear and persecution. With each refugee snuck into her home, she learned that a person's value transcends the classification assigned him or her.

When I go back to my hometown in a month I hope to be able to find her and talk to her again.

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#10.2 - Mon May 28, 2007 4:54 PM EDT
{"commentId":740504,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Thanks for the comment and clarification.

Let me toss a question at you. You spoke of the higher success levels of special ed students versus supposedly "normal" students:
How much of that do you attribute to the lower student-teacher ratio? It is that ratio, plus a few problems I had as a student teacher (including, ironically, the opposite of a problem you mentioned) that is one of the reasons I prefer working in special education. I think both students and teachers or paraprofessionals (my usual job) get more out of smaller groups and classes.

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#10.3 - Mon May 28, 2007 11:56 PM EDT
{"commentId":740516,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Oh and the irony? You said something about being frustrated as a smarter student when the teacher was going slow enough for the "slow" students to keep up.

My problem was the opposite. Since I'd worked in special ed for a year before trying "regular" education I particularly attuned to the students having the most problems. Or as I put it to one mentor teacher - my attention goes to the one who most needs my help.
But with a curriculum requiring, say, teaching everything they need to know about poetry in just five day class periods, you had to go as fast as possible and that meant trying to go fast enough for the sharp ones not to get bored but not so slow as to confuse the slower ones.
The whole matter of pacing threw me for a loop - I'd go too fast.. then too slow.. etc

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#10.4 - Tue May 29, 2007 12:02 AM EDT
{"commentId":740684,"authorDomain":"ejronin"}

How much of that do you attribute to the lower student-teacher ratio?

A lot of it, honestly. I learned to focus my attention with smaller classes. I prefer to work alone anyway - always have (ownership of both your success and your failure). But, with learning, for me anyway, I needed to learn to focus before I learned the material. Smaller classes made both possible at once.

Larger classes promoted group effort, therefore the student never really felt the need to do every bit of the work because someone would pick up slack. I'm not saying that "normal" students outright suck or that they aren't as good, I'm saying that there is that level of determination that is absent from larger groups because there is classification: leader, follower, @!$%#. When you work in small groups or by yourself, you have to be all three or can easily identify who is who.

The whole matter of pacing threw me for a loop - I'd go too fast.. then too slow.. etc

I never taught professionally, but I was a camp counselor and held various leadership positions in both the military and Boy Scouts. I've been faced with taht problem but the way I chose to overcome that obstacle was to allow the faster students to exhibit the methods to solve the problem or understand the material to the slower learners. I didn't pair them up because of the classifications I described previously, but I'd allow the faster ones to get up and explain in their own words what they just learned. This allows for discussion and put things in a different perspective than what a book or an authoritative figure dictates to everyone.

Other times I'd allow the faster members of the group to add embellishments to their projects or whatever it was they were doing. In Boy Scouts I was going over various knots and lashings. A couple of guys picked it up the first time...so I had them go build a bridge while the slower ones, after they got to a point where they understood got to identify what lashings and knots were used and why they were used where they were. Then... they got to go build a second bridge that was needed. Equal amounts of work, no one was bored and everyone learned the same thing. It took me a while to figure out a solution to a pacing issue as well...

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#10.5 - Tue May 29, 2007 2:24 AM EDT
{"commentId":741493,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

But, with learning, for me anyway, I needed to learn to focus before I learned the material. Smaller classes made both possible at once.

Exactly. Well said. And I think that's true for many people, not just those in special ed.
Heck, I'm reading this right now sitting on a couch with the cable modem unplugged because I can fcus better this way than online where I might have 1 million distractions.

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#10.6 - Tue May 29, 2007 12:58 PM EDT
{"commentId":752169,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Sesame Street gets a bad rap. I think other shows that followed it may be guilty of what you're talking about regarding short attention span but S.S at least at the start went out of its way to avoid causing any problems like that.

There's a fascinating examination of the program's start in Malcolm Gladwell's Tipping Point that talks about this a bit.

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#10.7 - Sat Jun 2, 2007 9:58 AM EDT
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{"commentId":735697,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I have lots of thoughts on this - as both my full-time and part job - involve special
ed but it's because of that I want to avoid saying anything here that might later
be googleable.

But please keep talking because I'm loving reading this discussion.

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Reply#11 - Sat May 26, 2007 1:35 AM EDT
{"commentId":735913,"authorDomain":"ejronin"}

I'm sure you DO have some thoughts, and I'd be very interested in hearing them (becaue you do work in that field). A High School buddy of mine, who was in Special Ed with me, is now a Special Ed teacher at the High School we attended. I hope to see him when I go on vacation in a month or so, and I'll be getting some of his thoughts on this article and perhaps write a lengthy article with much more depth.

In any event, feel free to email me anything you'd like to say, as candid as you'd like to say them at the times you don't feel your end of any conversation would suit 'ol google.

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#11.1 - Sat May 26, 2007 8:13 AM EDT
{"commentId":738683,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I can answer questons in here that require a yes or not but i just can't go into details.

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#11.2 - Mon May 28, 2007 12:40 AM EDT
{"commentId":739197,"authorDomain":"ejronin"}

1.) do you agree with most of what I've said?

2.) are their key points that I've missed that might potentially cause me to rethink what I've said?

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#11.3 - Mon May 28, 2007 10:46 AM EDT
{"commentId":739491,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

1.) do you agree with most of what I've said?

Yes.

2.) are their key points that I've missed that might potentially cause me to rethink what I've said?

Yes

:)

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#11.4 - Mon May 28, 2007 1:00 PM EDT
{"commentId":739911,"authorDomain":"ejronin"}

how predictable...

I'm hoping to go see one of my teachers soon and sort of interview her on her experiences, and then contrast that to a former student of hers / classmate of mine who also teaches in SpecEd, then incorporate an expanded version of my experiences outside of the classroom and on through life - what I carried on and what I threw to the wind, why and why not.

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#11.5 - Mon May 28, 2007 4:56 PM EDT
{"commentId":741489,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Hey, you made them yes or no so I felt I should answer that way.

Then I felt guilty and decided to elaborate

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#11.6 - Tue May 29, 2007 12:57 PM EDT
{"commentId":746147,"authorDomain":"ejronin"}

I know... I walked into it... but - I read your explanation before I read your y/n responses. But, to keep consistent I answered in a fashion that indicated that I had not read your explanation first... I'm a dirty liar / cheater...

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#11.7 - Thu May 31, 2007 1:04 AM EDT
{"commentId":749018,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

How shocking.

Hey, do you think we need a Newsvine group on special education? Or should we see if the teachers group can let us squeeze in there? I can think of four other related articles or seed that I'm going to tie together via links later this weekend.

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#11.8 - Fri Jun 1, 2007 1:10 AM EDT
{"commentId":752835,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}

You two have a great conversation going. Please continue.

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#11.9 - Sat Jun 2, 2007 3:48 PM EDT
{"commentId":756859,"authorDomain":"ejronin"}

Well a special group that focuses on Special Education might defeat the purpose. As it is tehr are a lot of groups and I would think it important to discuss with mainstream teachers things involving special education since, it can sort of lend its practices to the betterment of ALL students, no?

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#11.10 - Mon Jun 4, 2007 2:36 PM EDT
{"commentId":757439,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

True. Maybe we can clip stuff to teaching then?

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#11.11 - Mon Jun 4, 2007 7:33 PM EDT
{"commentId":757726,"authorDomain":"ejronin"}

That would be what I think to be a great introduction of the 'sub-genre'. If it creates a moderate following then make it official

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#11.12 - Mon Jun 4, 2007 9:38 PM EDT
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{"commentId":736164,"authorDomain":"LAUHAL63"}

Shawn - I'm glad that this article found new life! Thanks for sharing your experience. All too often, people have the impression that students with special needs are not as intelligent as other kids. As you so articulately pointed out, it is not always a matter of intelligence. We still don't know enough about ADD & ADHD, but I'm getting more & more students with those labels.

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Reply#12 - Sat May 26, 2007 10:54 AM EDT
{"commentId":756698,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Ok, I'm going to make an attempt to connect a bunch of special ed related
pieces.

I'm going to put a link to and from here to a fictional book about a boy with adhd. and a radio essay by a famous Autistic woman.

At some point one of us should contact the head of the teachers Newsvine group
and see if there is interest in making special ed part of the teachers group or
if we should make it another group, assuming there is interest in it.

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